Purposeful Pivoting with Kelly & Abigail White – The Mother Daughter Journey
In this week’s episode we are thrilled to invite Kelly and Abigail White from The Mother Daughter Journey to our podcast.
Kelly and Abigail are a mother/daughter team that started as partners running a travel business. They recently pivoted to The Mother Daughter Journey – a podcast and communications program that helps mothers and daughters strengthen bonds and work through communication issues.
This mother and daughter share their story of their pivot from working in corporate America at separate jobs, to opening their own travel agency. From there they once again pivot to The Mother Daughter Journey podcast where they share their journey to a better mother-daughter relationship. Krystal discusses all of this with them and also their desire to help others achieve a better mother-daughter relationship.
One of our biggest takeaways was how to listen to your inner voice that starts to tell you “this is no longer working” and then be brave enough to do something about it.
Working as a mother daughter team is not easy, but they have found that their story has changed the way they view the importance of the mother/daughter relationship. And they hope that their story invites others to do the same.
You can listen to their podcast, The Mother Daughter Journey on Apple, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Is there that one thing that you have always wanted to do but are afraid to take the leap?
Did you know that you can learn from and transform your life just by conquering your fears?
Our guest Kristine Goad, owner of Surfing Your Edge Coaching, was just like (what we’re guessing) is you. She started her coaching business on a leap of faith and to conquer a fear.
In today’s episode, Kristine and Wendy talk about women who have that one thing that they want to do but shelve it because they were afraid or didn’t know where to start or just did not have the time.
For so many of us, we may not even realize it was a fear holding us back… it seems more like a distraction from something else important to us, so it’s easily justifiable, right?
As we chat about conquering fears, learning from mistakes and how perfection is not normal, think about what is the one thing that you would love to do but haven’t for one reason or another.
Spoiler alert: Wendy’s is surfing.
But we’d love to know, did something pop into your mind about this? Hit reply and let us know what it is.
About Kristine
Kristine Goad is the Surfing Your Edge Coach. She helps women over 40 break out of their “reality-sized” version of themselves so they can live the bigger, bolder, more badass life they know they were born for.
She’s also the author of the memoir Your Mileage May Vary, and the creator of the Surfing Your Edge Experience and Bigger, Bolder, Badass, a 6-month adventure to help you fall in love with life and be the you you were always meant to be.
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Let’s have a rhetorical raising of hands for if you got starry eyed when starting your entrepreneurial journey – imagining how quickly and easily you’d have success? Even if you flinched and raised a pinky just now, know you are not alone! One of the most irritating beliefs we’ve run into as entrepreneurs that is ever-present even today, is the idea that you can become an overnight success… and the dark flip side, you’re a failure if you don’t achieve this. In this week’s candid interview on the Serendipitous Rebel Podcast, we talk with Tammy Pereira, Facebook Ads expert and CEO of Tammy P about this notion of overnight success and how she took her corporate skills and turned it into a business that is ever changing.
One conundrum Tammy often faces is how to define success in her own business and life, when her whole job is defining success in tangible, black and white measurable ways such as Facebook ads. Listen hear to our discussion around:
How she felt like a foreigner in another land when it came to the online space
How success is not instant but a journey that evolves
How her life shifts (pivots) to meet the next steps in her journey
What does a cycling trip through bourbon country have to do with entrepreneurship?
It turns out, everything!
In this week’s episode of the Serendipitous Rebel Podcast, Krystal interviews Wendy on her big takeaways from her most recent adventure in bourbon country.
We created this podcast for the adventure loving, purpose driven, action minded, purpose driven entrepreneurs. And what is more adventure loving and purpose driven than a cycling from distillery to distillery and having a lot of fun on the way. Wendy spent a long weekend enjoying the Bourbon Country Burn in Lexington, Kentucky. It was 3 days of cycling between distilleries along with 1,100 bikers. In the end she rode 100 miles and toured 7 distilleries while clamping along the way.
Why the Bourbon Burn?
This had always been a bucket list adventure for Wendy. She always wanted to partake in a Backroads Cycling Trip. Her husband wasn’t a huge fan of the idea of group travel, but did find this as something fun that they could do together that would marry her desire for a cycling trip and his love of bourbon.
What was her big epiphany along the way?
Doing any kind of an endurance challenge is a precursor for running an online business.
Both require you to step out of your comfort zone. It’s a huge risk that can be very freeing, but there are a lot of amazing experiences along the way.
You’ve gotta do you!
In this life people are always judging you. There are people out there that will make snide comments about they way you do things. There are people who feel very strongly about processes. You will have to resist the urge to justify everything you do.
We of them spend so much time looking at what other people do or say that we lose focus on what we need to do. That’s how we end up in situations that we are resentful of or unhappy.
Set up your business so that you can take the opportunities to have adventures when you can!
There are a ton of people who look at us and wish they could do what we do. Many people choose to work from home so that they can have the laptop lifestyle and travel more. Yet, many don’t set up their business so that it will lend itself to that kind of a lifestyle. It is possible to intentionally set up
What is the difference between a therapist and a business coach?
Another way to think about this could be: What are the red flags you should look at in your coaching relationship?
Mental health and conversations around it are incredibly important. And, dare we say, we are in a mental health crisis in this country. We encourage any one in distress or struggling to RUN, not walk, to book an appointment with a licensed therapist.
Likewise, a business coaching relationship can be incredibly rewarding as an entrepreneur. It can be the thing you need to push your business to the next level, hold you accountable, and give you clarity and a clear path forward.
At no time should a business coach tackle issues with mental health. Coaches do not handle mental health issues, or handle someone in stress. Unless they are also a licensed mental health professional, they are out of line. If you are in distress, or struggling with mental health, that’s work for a therapist.
We like to think of it in terms of having a baseline. A therapist works with you in distress to bring you back to baseline. A business coach works with you from baseline to thriving.
Baseline to Thriving
When you work with a business coach you are forward focused. You are working together towards a goal. If at any time a coach senses that there is something from the past that is stress or trauma induced that needs to be addressed in order to move forward, they should then refer you to a therapist.
Therapists look at old wounds and works to help you heal things from the past that may hold you back. If a coach is working with you in that territory it may be a red flag. A therapist is licensed and credentialed to be able to handle different traumas and issues that can arise from picking at old scabs. A business coach is not trained to handle trauma. Period.
Personal VS Professional
There is a fine line to dance between the personal and professional as an entrepreneur. There are mindset blocks issues that need to be worked around often. There are things from our past that informs how we tackle our professional goals and problems moving forward.
So where is the line?
A coach may help identify blocks or issues that impact your ability to achieve goals, and then will work with you to take steps to move forward. But they do not pick that scab. They do not diagnose. They do not bring up past family dynamics.
If something comes up, they can say “I hear you” and see how we can move forward. But they don’t go backwards to try to figure out what happened in your childhood to bring you here.
Just like any profession, there are bad coaches out there. Buyer beware.
It is so important as a consumer to be aware of what we are buying into. While we at Serendipitous Rebel find coaching to be incredibly helpful and foundational to a being a small business owner (hello! We provide coaching!), we also firmly believe that you need to be aware of a persons credentials before you buy into their program, and know as a consumer where the line is.
We have both found ourselves in uncomfortable coaching situations where our coach has crossed a line. We’ve witnessed coaches cross the line and diagnose other peoples trauma. We’ve witnessed coaches try to tackle other peoples trauma without proper licensing or medical credentials. We’ve witnessed coaches liken themselves to therapist.
NO. NO. NO.
DISCLAIMER: A person’s personal experience with therapy does not make them a licensed therapist, nor does it give them the ability to diagnose other people’s mental health issues.
Just like we don’t seek business advice from our therapists, we don’t ask personal advice regarding our past traumas from our business coach.
It’s important to ask yourself, “What are the dynamics between the coach/client? in this room?”
While we all end up drinking the Kool-aid at some point or another, it’s important to ask yourself before entering in a coaching relationship “What do you notice about power dynamics between a coach and their clients/following?”
Coaching programs can often present themselves similar to cults. While we love the raving fans of Serendipitous Rebel, we would never encourage members to speak poorly about people that have left the program or who have decided to move on and do other things. Likewise, we would be wary of any blind followers in our community that would be afraid to question or push back on tactics that we were suggesting. Finally, we continue to keep in touch with people and cheer for their success even when they are no longer a part of our community. The idea that we would cut them off forever and never keep in touch goes agains why we do this in the first place. However, we have both sat in programs where this kind of behavior runs rampant.
Raving fans are awesome! Blind followers that aren’t allowed to question or leave without being totally ostracized are not.
In the end we are big fans of both coaching and therapy! Both can serve incredibly important functions in your life. Knowing the difference and being able to recognize healthy versus unhealthy relationships only helps you have a more successful outcome in both your personal and professional worlds.
Grab your free guide now to see if the universe is giving you signs that it’s time to pivot!
Grab your free guide now to see if the universe is giving you signs that it’s time to pivot! 
